NCASAUmp

[AndyG7]

Originally Posted by obagain

But think of the money they could save by going to the new ball and the 1.20 standard.
All the confusion would end about what bat was legal or guys sneaking in the new utrip bats until the banned list was updated and that junk.
They should go with a 1 year trial and start right back up if problems developed.

It's pretty simple, ASA does not ban bats anymore. They are simply not approved. That's the same as saying NSA banned the Senior bats. If someone walks out with a new Utrip bat, point it out to the umpire, ask him where the ASA stamp is.

[TWmccoy]

Originally Posted by bb666b77

in reality you could include the senior bats in this also,as they don't hit the ball that much better than any of the other bats.in our senior board(seniorsoftball.com)we have a guy who has looked into this and have results of all bats,doctored or not,and they all hit within 2-3 mph of each other.




we wish to thank you very much for that,no sense of scaring people.

One oddity: the lowly Hammer actually hits .52 275 balls well. I put one over a 300' fence the other day with room to spare. The ball is hot enough to do all the work when being hit with a bat like the hammer. I can say with certainty that the same hit with a .44 375 wouldn't have made it.

The hottest bat I've swung against the .52 275 is the Juice, and it wasn't that impressive. The stiff endloaded bats are IMO the best choice for these balls.

[bb666b77]

Originally Posted by TWmccoy

One oddity: the lowly Hammer actually hits .52 275 balls well. I put one over a 300' fence the other day with room to spare. The ball is hot enough to do all the work when being hit with a bat like the hammer. I can say with certainty that the same hit with a .44 375 wouldn't have made it.

The hottest bat I've swung against the .52 275 is the Juice, and it wasn't that impressive. The stiff endloaded bats are IMO the best choice for these balls.

yep,you should see the uproar on the seniorsoftball board about this ball,and we(senior softball assoc's) have no intention of changing to it.i just posted a review after we hit it in feb at CST and boy you would think i was taking away thier first born kids.

[sun5150]

You started a bunch of crap on the senior board with that post. hahaha

[bb666b77]

Originally Posted by sun5150

You started a bunch of crap on the senior board with that post. hahaha

yep and it was back in feb/mar when i did and it still is going on.

[jhitman]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Starts tomorrow in Reno!

It's possible, but tough to say. If they adopt the 52/275, it probably won't go into effect until 2011. We're less than 2 months away from 2010, and switching now would completely screw the manufacturers.

And I know your next question... Will they loosen up the bat restrictions? Maybe, but doubtful.

I'll keep y'all posted once I hear anything public.

Thanks. Let us know if you hear anything in regards to bats/balls. I know several guys waiting to buy bats, but are not sure what ASA is going to do. Anything you can find out early would be appreciated.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by jhitman

Thanks. Let us know if you hear anything in regards to bats/balls. I know several guys waiting to buy bats, but are not sure what ASA is going to do. Anything you can find out early would be appreciated.

I think the only thing worth mentioning is something that didn't come out of Reno, but rather, was on the agenda for some time. There is a new ABI test that ASA is going to have the manufacturers use, starting December 1 of this year.

In this thread, I gave some of the highlights of Craig Cress' interview with Fast Pitch Radio Show, where they discussed the meaning behind the new ABI procedures.

[jhitman]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

I think the only thing worth mentioning is something that didn't come out of Reno, but rather, was on the agenda for some time. There is a new ABI test that ASA is going to have the manufacturers use, starting December 1 of this year.

In this thread, I gave some of the highlights of Craig Cress' interview with Fast Pitch Radio Show, where they discussed the meaning behind the new ABI procedures.

If this does come into play 12/1/2009 does that mean the likelihood of the 52 core 275 compression ball won't happen anytime soon? I wouldn't think the ASA would give us a lesser ball and be stricter on the bats at the same time.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by jhitman

If this does come into play 12/1/2009 does that mean the likelihood of the 52 core 275 compression ball won't happen anytime soon? I wouldn't think the ASA would give us a lesser ball and be stricter on the bats at the same time.

I think the .52/275 will probably happen. The reports I've heard are that the ball performs very well on the field. Couple that with the bonus that the ball exerts a less-than-lethal force upon the human body (unlike the current .44/375 ball), and I suspect that ASA may approve this ball. It may not happen this go around, but I think it's coming.

I doubt they'll drop the non-approved bat list, or even take bats off the list. Even if they can make the argument that the .52/275 ball is safer than the current ball, I wonder what the lawyers have to say about it. If a bat that was once banned is let back into the game, then is used in a case where someone gets seriously injured, this might open them up for liabilities. At bare minimum, it would be a headache, even if they were to handily win the case.

We'll see. As far as this goes, I have zero inside information on what the higher-ups in ASA are thinking with respect to this COR/Compression combo.

[jhitman]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

I think the .52/275 will probably happen. The reports I've heard are that the ball performs very well on the field. Couple that with the bonus that the ball exerts a less-than-lethal force upon the human body (unlike the current .44/375 ball), and I suspect that ASA may approve this ball. It may not happen this go around, but I think it's coming.

I doubt they'll drop the non-approved bat list, or even take bats off the list. Even if they can make the argument that the .52/275 ball is safer than the current ball, I wonder what the lawyers have to say about it. If a bat that was once banned is let back into the game, then is used in a case where someone gets seriously injured, this might open them up for liabilities. At bare minimum, it would be a headache, even if they were to handily win the case.

We'll see. As far as this goes, I have zero inside information on what the higher-ups in ASA are thinking with respect to this COR/Compression combo.

Thanks for all the good info. Keep us posted on what happens as you get more information.

[ser7643]

I play in an ASA league in Maryland and we used the .52/275 ball all year. They let us use any bat except senior bats. Must say the ball was G2G but did seem a little bouncy at times. The head ASA Umpire for the State said that our league was a pilot program for what ASA was considering for the future. If the ball is as safe as promised then I say it's all good.

[bb666b77]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

I think the .52/275 will probably happen. The reports I've heard are that the ball performs very well on the field. Couple that with the bonus that the ball exerts a less-than-lethal force upon the human body (unlike the current .44/375 ball), and I suspect that ASA may approve this ball. It may not happen this go around, but I think it's coming.

I doubt they'll drop the non-approved bat list, or even take bats off the list. Even if they can make the argument that the .52/275 ball is safer than the current ball, I wonder what the lawyers have to say about it. If a bat that was once banned is let back into the game, then is used in a case where someone gets seriously injured, this might open them up for liabilities. At bare minimum, it would be a headache, even if they were to handily win the case.

We'll see. As far as this goes, I have zero inside information on what the higher-ups in ASA are thinking with respect to this COR/Compression combo.

there is a study done and trumpball has itand got it started.i talked about it last yr with him,and its the reason for the ball,to prevent real bad injuries.the force from this ball is around 400 psi,while the 44-375 is well over 1200 psi.i can't remember(and not going to try and find it at the moment) the lethal psi for the human body,but the 44-375 far exceeds it.

as for the bats,this shouldn't be a prol as all the bats will hit this ball the same.there have been tests done to show this also.they are all within 2-3 mph of each other--ASA to senior bats,shaved,rolled it doesn't matter.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by bb666b77

as for the bats,this shouldn't be a prol as all the bats will hit this ball the same.there have been tests done to show this also.they are all within 2-3 mph of each other--ASA to senior bats,shaved,rolled it doesn't matter.

While I agree with you 110%, we all know just how educated juries are when it comes to sporting events. Just ask Louisville Slugger.

Right or wrong isn't always decided by common sense. Sometimes, right or wrong, for better or worse, is decided by 12 honest members of our peers.

[bb666b77]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

While I agree with you 110%, we all know just how educated juries are when it comes to sporting events. Just ask Louisville Slugger.

Right or wrong isn't always decided by common sense. Sometimes, right or wrong, for better or worse, is decided by 12 honest members of our peers.

true.also ask macdonalds(hot coffee).

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by bb666b77

true.also ask macdonalds(hot coffee).

Thinking about my last statement... If we all agree that the jurors were boneheads, then how in the hell could they be our peers?